"Senyors" - the Catalan variant of Italian "Cambio Secco"

Zitat von jmontane im Beitrag RE: catala.dic for Scrabble3D

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Just to remark. Keep in mind the Catalan rules called "senyors", similar to Italian "cambio secco". I know Scotty refuses to implement over features. In fact, "cambio secco" is good for me, but in Catalan scrabble "senyors" (free bad rack swap) is really used. This rule is applied at end of the turn. So, at every turn, when you get new tiles, if all tiles are consonants (or vowels) the player can change them for free, without penalty. If tiles are changed using this rule, all tiles must be changed.

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Since we don't have exactly the "senyors" function in Scrabble3D, I suggest that we'll activate the Italian "cambio secco" in our default settings for Catalan rules. I think that this will be a rather good compromise for Catalan Scrabble3D players.

--> CambioSecco:true;


By the way:
Why is it called just "senyors"? I think senyors means señores like in Spanish (castellano) or elder like in latin?
Maybe it means "Gentlemen agreement" (acord de senyors)?

Dear Joan, I would like to know:

Can senyors be done only once in a game like cambio secco in Italy or is it possible to do several senyors during the game?

Ah - sorry, I just have found the senyors rule in http://www.fiscrabble.cat/wp-content/upl...ment-de-joc.pdf, page 3.

Zitat von http://www.fiscrabble.cat/wp-content/upl...ment-de-joc.pdf

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3. Agafar i canviar peces

Mentre en quedin suficients al sac, cada jugador ha de tenir sempre set peces al faristol.
Quan un jugador té set fitxes al faristol que són tot vocals o tot consonants (sense cap
escarràs), està autoritzat (no obligat) a canviar totes les lletres fins que comenci el torn del
jugador contrari. Per fer‐ho haurà de mostrar el faristol al seu oponent, retornar totes les
peces al sac i agafar‐ne un altre cop set, abans de prémer el rellotge. En aquest cas, el jugador
que canvia les lletres no perdrà el torn.

Si després de canviar‐les continua tenint tot vocals o tot consonants, es demanarà a un dels
àrbitres que comprovi les peces restants. Segons les que quedin, es procedirà de la manera
següent:

a) En cas d’haver‐hi una sola vocal o consonant (segons s’escaigui) o un sol escarràs, es posarà
aquesta peça al faristol del jugador. Les restants es posaran al sac i s’extrauran de nou les
sis que li manquin.

b) Si hi ha dues vocals o consonants, o més, es posaran totes les peces del faristol al sac i el
jugador repetirà l’operació d’extracció fins que aconsegueixi tenir un faristol amb almenys
una vocal o una consonant.

c) Si no queda cap peça de les necessàries, el jugador es quedarà les peces que té al faristol i
continuarà el joc.

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That means that if the player A who has done a senyors still has only vowels or only consonants on his rack, the referee will check the letters which are remaining in the sack.
• If there is only one vowel or only one consonant or only one joker in the sack, the referee will give this tile to the player A, who has to put back into the sack the other six tiles on his rack, in order to draw six other tiles.
• If there are two or more vowels or consonants in the sack, the player A is allowed to change again all his tiles in a new senyors, as he did before, and he is allowed to repeat this operation several times, if necessary, until he will have got at least one vowel or one consonant on his rack.
• If there are no vowels or no consonants in the sack any more, the player A has to keep his letters and to continue playing with those letters.


This rule is very interesting, indeed!

Zitat von Bussinchen im Beitrag #4

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That means that if the player A who has done a senyors still has only vowels or only consonants on his rack, the referee will check the letters which are remaining in the sack.
• If there is only one vowel or only one consonant or only one joker in the sack, the referee will give this tile to the player A, who has to put back into the sack the other six tiles on his rack, in order to draw six other tiles.
• If there are two or more vowels or consonants in the sack, the player A is allowed to change again all his tiles in a new senyors, as he did before, and he is allowed to repeat this operation several times, if necessary, until he will have got at least one vowel or one consonant on his rack.
• If there are no vowels or no consonants in the sack any more, the player A has to keep his letters and to continue playing with those letters.


This rule is very interesting, indeed!

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Zitat von jmontane

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In fact, senyors is something like gentlemen. First players at Queimada (the first club) were only men, so, senyors was a short for "senyors, tinc un faristol dolent" (gentlemen, I have a bad rack)

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Yeah! Good! "Senyors, tinc un faristol dolent"

Zitat von jmontane on catala.dic for Scrabble3D

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Keep in mind the Catalan rules called "senyors", similar to Italian "cambio secco". I know Scotty refuses to implement over features. In fact, "cambio secco" is good for me, but in Catalan scrabble "senyors" (free bad rack swap) is really used. This rule is applied at end of the turn. So, at every turn, when you get new tiles, if all tiles are consonants (or vowels) the player can change them for free, without penalty. If tiles are changed using this rule, all tiles must be changed.

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Before implementing such a rule one need to define vowels. Of course AEIOU, maybe ÄÖÜ, perhaps  or some digraphs (my keyboard is limited *g*). Such a functions needs to be valid for all languages. Sounds difficult.

Zitat von Scotty in post #7 "Senyors" - the Catalan variant of Italian "Cambio Secco"

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Before implementing such a rule one need to define vocals. Of course AEIOU, maybe ÄÖÜ, perhaps  or some digraphs (my keyboard is limited *g*). Such a function needs to be valid for all languages. Sounds difficult.

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Especially when it comes to semivowels/semiconsonants / identical letters that sometimes are considered being vowels, sometimes consonants...

Zitat von Bussinchen in post #8 "Senyors" - the Catalan variant of Italian "Cambio Secco"

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Zitat von Scotty

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Before implementing such a rule one need to define vocals. Of course AEIOU, maybe ÄÖÜ, perhaps  or some digraphs (my keyboard is limited *g*). Such a function needs to be valid for all languages. Sounds difficult.

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Especially when it comes to semivowels/semiconsonants / identical letters that sometimes are considered being vowels, sometimes consonants...

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Eliot and Quackle projects have two additional columns in tiles distribution: vowel and consonant columns, boolean fields. So, every language, defines if a tiles is a consonat, vowel or booth (blank tile).

I know this rules is very special, it's not a high priority for me. But in Catalan is really used.